look, hillary clinton did a lot of traveling. she's a bright woman. she was not a policymaker. she operated under obama. leon panetta spoke out against the budget cuts in defense and that's one of the reasons he's gone. that's one of the reasons he's gone. in other words, obama wants people who are just going to take his marching orders. that's the way i look at it. >> the dangerous thing, though, is that unlike hillary, this guy can't even stick to the script. so how could obama send him out to people? how could he remember his lines? i mean, it's really sort of an epic moment that i don't think the country would be safe or well served by. >> she is at least articulate. >> i think he's going to be confirmed anyway, as awful as that sounds. democrats are going to confirm him. that's the life we live in. that's the country we live in, jennifer ruben. thank you very much for your reporting. also thanks to art laffer and michelle caruso-cabrera for being with us this evening. i appreciate it. >>> now we're going to stick with national security. we have reports today that the chine